NewChapter: I would have been pissed if it had been my wedding. That elder would have gotten a black eye.
Also, I never read that article, but that is horrible. I'm going to go look it up right now.
it essentially makes me feel like i am an evil, immoral, selfish imdividual who god hates (even though "evil" is really a religious term, and i am not religious, even though i don't do terrible things, even though i care about others so much that i am remaining a jw mainly for other people).
i hate not being able to express my feelings, not just about supposed gender roles, but about many aspects of life.
i think i am fair and accepting about both sexes, and all sexual orientations, and about many other things, such as a person's religion or the lack thereof.. and yet in this religion it is veiwed as a bad thing, a sin, to accept or even tolerate these things without prejudice.
NewChapter: I would have been pissed if it had been my wedding. That elder would have gotten a black eye.
Also, I never read that article, but that is horrible. I'm going to go look it up right now.
it essentially makes me feel like i am an evil, immoral, selfish imdividual who god hates (even though "evil" is really a religious term, and i am not religious, even though i don't do terrible things, even though i care about others so much that i am remaining a jw mainly for other people).
i hate not being able to express my feelings, not just about supposed gender roles, but about many aspects of life.
i think i am fair and accepting about both sexes, and all sexual orientations, and about many other things, such as a person's religion or the lack thereof.. and yet in this religion it is veiwed as a bad thing, a sin, to accept or even tolerate these things without prejudice.
ABibleStudent: I have to agree with you there. They ARE quite thought-controlling.
leavingwt:
this has probably been addressed, but i'm in a rush and wanted to get this out asap while it's fresh and before i have to run off again.
and i don't have the km with me to note the exact instructions and passages discussed, anyway.... last week in the service meeting, there was an unusual part that i wish i would have been prepared for.
the only material was to read a couple passages from luke and discuss how they affect our attitude toward our ministry.
I really like this! Very interesting. When I got to hear that talk in the Service Meeting a few days agao, the brother went on and on about being ready to drop everything for god the WTBTS. And that you should forget your family if they're in your way. (only they said it in a "nicer" way). I didn't think about it as thoroughly as you you did, but I had some similar thoughts.
the "friends" have a new barometer by which we can judge each other's level of spirituality.. yes, the use of facebook.. have you edited your friends list yet?
i think if we look closely at our theocratic facebook friend's comments, photos, and social events, we will be able to judge whether or not they are good association.
the big plus here is that we will be able to see just how theocratic they are for comparison purposes.. a lot of "read between the lines" comments made at the latest district convention has the "friends" in a real tizzy.
Wow...that is completely NOT surprising. Yet another attempt at controlling every little thing we do and helping us to judge others at the same time.
Jeez. Glad I don't have Facebook.
for me it was many things.
most concerned certain teachings that invloved genders, children, sex, sexuality and sexual orientations, disfellowshipping, apostates, blood, rape, and few other things, as well as the jw's unloving attitude toward so many people..
"Rampant hypocrisy"...Yeah, that sounds like my congregation.
Yes, I think so, at least in some regards. No stoning rape victims who didn't scream, or forcing rape victims to marry the rapist, for example.
it essentially makes me feel like i am an evil, immoral, selfish imdividual who god hates (even though "evil" is really a religious term, and i am not religious, even though i don't do terrible things, even though i care about others so much that i am remaining a jw mainly for other people).
i hate not being able to express my feelings, not just about supposed gender roles, but about many aspects of life.
i think i am fair and accepting about both sexes, and all sexual orientations, and about many other things, such as a person's religion or the lack thereof.. and yet in this religion it is veiwed as a bad thing, a sin, to accept or even tolerate these things without prejudice.
leavingwt: I don't like the bible. Sure, it says some ok things, but for the most part I do believe that it is misogynistic. I do believe that the WTS stretches some scriptures, though, to put women "in their place". I hope I'm not offending you, but that's how I see it. I would never consult the bible on gender issues.
designs: What are women even allowed to do at Bethel, usually? I can't remember most of the things they can do.
Curtains: Thank you! Exactly what I'm talking about!
NewChapter: Thanks. I'm sure I'll be venting occasionally, and especially when I go to the upcoming convention!
cantleave:"The bible is such a vague, contradictory collection of books it can be used to support any position. The WTS is the only group to use it to Justify mysogeny. Others use it to demonise homosexuality and others to promote racism. What a loving God, producing a book to cater for all prejudice!"
My feelings exactly.
Scully: I like your comments!
I didn't realize that the weddings were so bad. I've been to two, but I don't remember a speech that included MENSTRUAL CYCLES!
for me it was many things.
most concerned certain teachings that invloved genders, children, sex, sexuality and sexual orientations, disfellowshipping, apostates, blood, rape, and few other things, as well as the jw's unloving attitude toward so many people..
Thanks for the responses. They're great.
cult classic: I know what you mean! I didn't want to die at Armageddon, but I couldn't accept so many things I was being taught, and I certainly didn't want to be shunned by my family.
the lack of intellectually stimulating material within the jw religion right now is astounding.
there is clearly a lack of spiritually dense material and a surplus of ridiculous, childish babble.
the regular "food" that jws are being fed is illustratively equivalent to pureed baby food.
@Franklin Massey: That is really sad. And even though I only know a few of the real flaws in it, it doesn't even feel well-written.
this has no doubt been covered before and if anyone has any favourite threads on this subject perhaps they could post them here .
what are your best one liners/questions to make jw's think?.
i had a heated conversation with my mum this weekend and apart from mainly going round in circles (as is often the case with brainwashed cult members) one thing made her stop and i could see that she was having major trouble processing the logic.
I haven't use this on anyone yet, but I never understood it and NO ONE has explained it. I can't even find it in the watchtowers library.
Why did jehovah kill David's INNOCENT baby, after torturing it for a WHOLE WEEK with a sickness.